Demi Lovato recently hosted another episode of their online chat show, 4D with Demi Lovato, with this session’s guest being none other than professional boxer, Patricio Manuel.

For the uninitiated, Patricio Manuel made history for becoming the first professional transgender boxer to fight in the U.S. in 2018.

Throughout the interview, Lovato and Manuel relate to each other on their journeys of finding their identities and being able to finally express who they really are, and to live out their truth everyday.

Lovato opened up on the concept of femininity, saying, “I was so afraid at times of what my career would look like if I wasn’t that super sexy hyper-feminine pop star. My career doesn’t matter as much to me now as it does living my truth.”